“Discussing” God, Science and Sanity
Posted by MathewMar 15
In conjunction with the Global Atheist Conference which concluded yesterday, Australia’s national broadcasting station, the ABC, invited Professor Richard Dawkins onto to it’s program of panelists, Q and A. The topic to be discussed was, none too coincidentally, “God, Science and Sanity”. And given the makeup of the panel on last Monday night (8 March 2010), it comes as no surprise that Prof. Dawkins stole the show.
For those of you unaware – of which I assume this is the vast majority of you – the Q and A program pits pollies, professionals and “pundits” up against each other while passing the questioning over to the audience, whether to a member in the studio or to someone watching at home who participates via the program’s website. The idea is quite simple: grab a hodge-podge of celebrities, specialists and politicians, throw them in the same room, given them a topic and then let the public “have at it”.
And “have at it” was the operative word last Monday; but not against Prof. Dawkins – that was one parrot that wasn’t going to get knocked off his perch. But the other panelists, namely those who identify as theists, sure did get a hammering.
To give you some idea of what types of minds consisted of the panel of six guests, hosted by well-known Australian journalist Tony Evans, look no further than this list:
- Prof. Richard Dawkins – who needs no introduction to most of you, I’m sure
- Rabbi Jacqueline Ninio – a “progressive”, ordained female rabbie
- Prof Patrick McGorry – Australian of the Year and psychiatric specialist
- Sen Steven Fielding – leader of the Family First Party and an evangelical Christian
- MP Juli Bishop – Opposition Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party
- MP Tony Burke – Federal Minister of Agriculture
Sound like a fitting line-up to place alongside of Dawkins? I think not. In fact, I think the ABC was clearly showing an anti-theistic bias, effectively giving Dawkins a silver platter on which to serve his anti-God views. And boy – did the audience ever lap it up, too!
Whatever the producers of the show were thinking, they handpicked those guests that, I suspect, would fare poorly against Dawkins. Not only were the guests carefully selected for such a reason, but I’m sure the audience members (who must undergo a profiling application to “register” as an audience participant – kind of like a reality show, really, where the participants are selected to “best” represent a cross-section of “reality”?) were likewise handpicked to lean heavily towards Dawkins’ viewpoint. Quite conceivably, so were the questions fielded from the studio audience and the audience at home.
A quick word on the two most apparent theists on the panel – the Rabbi Ninio and Sen Fielding. Firstly, I’d discount any theist who describes themselves as a progressive; any such theist is bound not to have any real arguments for the watered-down, feel-good, smorgasbord faith that she contends. And Sen Fielding … don’t get me started. Faith, for Fielding, is something that’s “personal”, that everyone should have the freedom to pursue. In all seriousness, I lost count at how many times both Fielding and Ninio gave their weak-willed deflective “faith is personal” clap-trap much to the derision of the crowd. Is it any wonder Dawkins’ views came up trumps? Heck, Dawkins needn’t have said anything at all – the other panelists, trying to defend a place of faith in society, flaked around like fish on a hot rock and the audience squeezed in the lemon and salt.
Have a view of the program (it runs just shy of an hour) and see for yourself how pathetic the theist point of view was upheld against such nominal atheistic objections and obvious straw men. As I mentioned to Duane in an email at the end of last week, watching the show was like driving by a train wreck – the “representative” theists articulated themselves exceptionally poorly as they attempted, cowering with wild, emphatic hand gesturing, to avoid being skewed by a spear from Dawkins.
Frankly, I’m embarrassed for Prof. Dawkins – there was no oppostion there to stimulate his thinking at all.
I dare you to last beyond the first 15 minutes of this painful programming. Be sure to add your comments and thoughts below so we can discuss.




9 comments
Comment by Rick Baskett on 15 Mar 2010 at 14:01
I hate train wrecks.. Im just not sure I could watch it. It's really telling though that Dawkins is willing to debate “progressive” Christians and not Christians like William Lane Craig..
Comment by Mathew on 15 Mar 2010 at 16:02
I suspect that if the ABC had invited a member of Creation Ministries International (who have an Australian office in Brisbane, so are local) or even a professor from one of our many orthodox theological colleges then Prof. Dawkins would have refused to be involved. They didn't want to lose him.
It wouldn't have taken too much effort to find suitable opposing minds in Australia to sit beside Dawkins in this discussion. But, no – instead they placed Fielding, looking like a stuffed chicken, right next to Dawkins. It was laughable.
Comment by Marc on 15 Mar 2010 at 18:16
Sorry, Matthew, I don't know of too many “orthodox” theological colleges in Australia any more. I mean, look at that bastion of orthodoxy, Moore College. Its previous principal, now archbishop, is an evolutionist, the present, in the very least, believes in billions of years. The Uniting Church and Presbyterians, forget them too. And the Catholics..who cares?
Real, historical Christianity is long gone.
Comment by Mathew on 16 Mar 2010 at 23:10
I wouldn't be as pessimistic as to say that real Christianity is long gone – else, blogs like The Aristophrenium would not exist.
Neither would I despair that there are no orthodox theological colleges – I'd rather agree that there are, unfortunately, members of faculty in such institutions who may themselves hold unorthodox views (and thus on that score it would only be by strength of numbers to state that a college was either orthodox or not). And even if so, I still would find it difficult to believe that the ABC were unable to find anyone in Australia who was better educated and more articulate than Fielding when it came to defending a creationist point of view.
In my mind, it's as if the ABC didn't even try and – perhaps closer to the truth – simply had no desire to present a balanced view for the topic discussed. Of course, I speculate, but I've no reason to think I'm far off on that score.
Comment by Rene Mulder on 17 Mar 2010 at 08:49
That was pretty awful to watch. I would have commented earlier, but I simply had no words for it at that time.
I think what bothers me about this format is that, even if you manage to ask a good question, you're not given time to respond to the answer and so if that answer makes you look stupid, the other guy gets praise from the audience :P
The overall feel of the show I got was “let's make Christians look stupid and elevate Mr. Dawkins”.
But to sum it up I would say: “no one seemed to have a clue about what they were saying”
Comment by Mathew on 17 Mar 2010 at 18:35
A most excellent and accurate summation, Rene – I do concur!
We could further conclude that the audience much enjoyed the fact that no one had a clue about what they were saying … draw from that what you will about what that says regarding the audience … ;)
Comment by Rene Mulder on 17 Mar 2010 at 18:50
Speaking of audience…For a while now I have been trying to figure out what the general population (anywhere) is like.
When you generally look at creation/evolution debates, people actually seem pretty smart. So I'm thinking “how could one reach the smart people with the gospel?”
Then we have people like those in the audience. People who come across as somewhat ignorant (I don't mean that in the derogatory sense).
So now I'm asking myself “how could one reach THOSE people with the gospel?”
Then I go out and about with my daily life, and I find neither of these people. So I come to three conclusions:
A) The general population is neither of the above.
B) For some reason, the above types of people are missing from the world I actually see day by day
C) The above types of people tend to be around each other much, as seen in the video :P Which I guess explains why I see neither type of person on a day by day basis.
So ultimately I'm left with one question: “how do I reach the people I DO see on a day by day basis with the gospel?”
:P
Comment by Ryft Braeloch on 17 Mar 2010 at 22:34
Rene's question adds all the more weight to my request of you, Mathew, maybe last week sometime when I asked about you writing a certain sort of article for the site… :o)
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