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		<title>By: Excerpt: Burqas, bathrooms and the public concern : thoughts out !oud</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good point, Duane. Islam, unlike Christianity, is both a religious &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; a political ideology - as far as I am aware, there is no separating the two without reforming Islam. As such, where Islam prospers and grows in Western democracies, the freedoms enjoyed in those democracies will be under political threat.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We see this occurring in the UK where some knuckleheads think it&#039;s perfectly congruent to have both Western law and Islamic (Sharia) law operating within the same country. Hmmm, let&#039;s think about that for a moment: one law for me, one law for you. Gee, d&#039;ya think there&#039;d be some issues with consistency and conflict??&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This, I think, in part, is where the French are coming from with their move to ban the burqa. Such a distinct dress sends a message that the French state is not the authority to which a Muslim woman is prepared to submit as a French citizen. I&#039;m certain that if all Muslim women in France (for argument&#039;s sake, let&#039;s call it 50% of the six million Muslims presently there) started wearing the burqa, the political climate in France would go up a few notches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s a good point, Duane. Islam, unlike Christianity, is both a religious <em>and</em> a political ideology &#8211; as far as I am aware, there is no separating the two without reforming Islam. As such, where Islam prospers and grows in Western democracies, the freedoms enjoyed in those democracies will be under political threat.</p>
<p>We see this occurring in the UK where some knuckleheads think it&#39;s perfectly congruent to have both Western law and Islamic (Sharia) law operating within the same country. Hmmm, let&#39;s think about that for a moment: one law for me, one law for you. Gee, d&#39;ya think there&#39;d be some issues with consistency and conflict??</p>
<p>This, I think, in part, is where the French are coming from with their move to ban the burqa. Such a distinct dress sends a message that the French state is not the authority to which a Muslim woman is prepared to submit as a French citizen. I&#39;m certain that if all Muslim women in France (for argument&#39;s sake, let&#39;s call it 50% of the six million Muslims presently there) started wearing the burqa, the political climate in France would go up a few notches.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to share a different perspective that one of my Facebook friends had on this topic and then tell you how I responded (including some additional thoughts that I did not originally share on Facebook). I do this with the utmost respect for the person who made the comments, I only wish to highlight the weaknesses in the view.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My friend believed that the burqa banning was disrespectful to Muslim women and the Muslim religion in general, adding that &quot;people are entitled to practise their religious beliefs and customs.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My response is as follows:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do not think that the banning of burqas (etc) is a religious issue, and attempts to make it one miss the point. It&#039;d be like me getting into trouble for taking my Bible into a work meeting and reading it while the meeting is on. Reading the bible is after all a very important religious custom of mine, so perhaps I should be permitted to read it wherever and whenever I want?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In any case, I just don&#039;t see why certain behaviours and practices deserve more freedoms just because you can attach a &quot;religious&quot; label to it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A good example of this distinction is mentioned by Mathew in the article. Why should women be permitted to wear burqas into a bank when motorcycle riders have to remove their helmets? To cite their religious belief as the key distinction that affords or removes rights, is absurd in my humble opinion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also note the claim that &quot;people are entitled to practise their religious beliefs and customs.&quot; This is not an argument but an assertion, and a false one at that; to say that people &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; entitled, rather than people &lt;i&gt;ought&lt;/i&gt; to be entitled, which is perhaps what was meant by the statement. If you think about it long enough, I think you&#039;ll realise that we cannot simply allow any and all behaviours just because they are part of someone&#039;s religious system. This goes especially for Muslims who, if they had their way, would set up an Islamic Theocracy tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to share a different perspective that one of my Facebook friends had on this topic and then tell you how I responded (including some additional thoughts that I did not originally share on Facebook). I do this with the utmost respect for the person who made the comments, I only wish to highlight the weaknesses in the view.</p>
<p>My friend believed that the burqa banning was disrespectful to Muslim women and the Muslim religion in general, adding that &#8220;people are entitled to practise their religious beliefs and customs.&#8221;</p>
<p>My response is as follows:</p>
<p>I do not think that the banning of burqas (etc) is a religious issue, and attempts to make it one miss the point. It&#39;d be like me getting into trouble for taking my Bible into a work meeting and reading it while the meeting is on. Reading the bible is after all a very important religious custom of mine, so perhaps I should be permitted to read it wherever and whenever I want?</p>
<p>In any case, I just don&#39;t see why certain behaviours and practices deserve more freedoms just because you can attach a &#8220;religious&#8221; label to it.</p>
<p>A good example of this distinction is mentioned by Mathew in the article. Why should women be permitted to wear burqas into a bank when motorcycle riders have to remove their helmets? To cite their religious belief as the key distinction that affords or removes rights, is absurd in my humble opinion.</p>
<p>Also note the claim that &#8220;people are entitled to practise their religious beliefs and customs.&#8221; This is not an argument but an assertion, and a false one at that; to say that people <i>are</i> entitled, rather than people <i>ought</i> to be entitled, which is perhaps what was meant by the statement. If you think about it long enough, I think you&#39;ll realise that we cannot simply allow any and all behaviours just because they are part of someone&#39;s religious system. This goes especially for Muslims who, if they had their way, would set up an Islamic Theocracy tomorrow.</p>
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