Separation of Creation and Science
Posted by DuaneMar 3
[Last updated by Duane: 9 March 2010]
According to a recent SMH article, the South Australian Non-Government Schools Registration Board decided to ban the teaching of creationism as part of the science curriculum.
Under policies published in December, the board said it required “teaching of science as an empirical discipline, focusing on inquiry, hypothesis, investigation, experimentation, observation and evidential analysis.”
The SMH article provides an opportunity to discuss a wide range of issues relating to creationism and science. However I only want to make one simple point about the misconceived relationship between the two.
To put it simply (as the SA board have done), the empirical discipline, focusing on inquiry, hypothesis, investigation, experimentation, observation and evidential analysis – watch this – is an integral part of creationism. It’s not anti-science or non-science, but values the scientific method as a way to understand the world in which we live. The two are very much homogenous, in the same way that materialists might view the relationship between evolution and science.
Science is the study of the natural world, which Christians would say is the study of the world God created. While materialists don’t accept a Christian worldview, we all still live in the same world and so we all have access to exactly the same evidence.
In studying this evidence however, materialists must draw conclusions shaped by materialist presuppositions. Appeals to design (implying a designer) are not allowed. The fallacy of this objection is that it presumes that the design argument is an appeal to ignorance. However the inference of design is based on an analogy of what we do know scientifically, not what we don’t. So Christians are not limited by a materialistic paradigm. This doesn’t mean that creationists invoke God-of-the-gaps solutions to problems that the materialist’s paradigm cannot currently resolve. But it means that they approach the evidence with the view that God created and that God’s word provides clues about the world which can inform our presuppositions for understanding the evidence. A practical example of this is the work of PhD physicists Dr. Russell Humphreys and Dr. John Hartnett, who have both proposed models for the universe to rival popular big bang cosmology.
In fact given that modern science had its beginnings in a Christian framework, creationism (or, creation science) is not really such a heresy, is it? For example:
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The creationist Robert Boyle (1627–1691) fathered modern chemistry and demolished the Aristotelian four-elements theory. He also funded lectures to defend Christianity and sponsored missionaries and Bible translation work.
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Cell phones depend on electromagnetic radiation theory, which was pioneered by creationist James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879)
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Computing machines were invented by Charles Babbage (1791–1871), who was not a biblical creationist but was a creationist in the broad sense. He ‘believed that the study of the works of nature with scientific precision, was a necessary and indispensable preparation to the understanding and interpreting their testimony of the wisdom and goodness of their Divine Author.’
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The creationist brothers Orville (1871–1948) and Wilbur Wright (1867–1912) invented the airplane after studying God’s design of birds.
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The theory of planetary orbits was invented by Johannes Kepler (1571–1630), famous for claiming that his discoveries were ‘thinking God’s thoughts after him’. Kepler also calculated a creation date of 3992 BC, close to Ussher’s.
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The theory of gravity and the laws of motion, essential for the moon landings, was discovered by the creationist Isaac Newton (1642/3–1727).
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Vaccination was discovered by Edward Jenner (1749–1823—note that Darwin published Origin in 1859)
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Antisepsis by Joseph Lister, creationist.(1827–1912)
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Anaesthesia by James Young Simpson (1811–1870), who believed that God was the first anaesthetist, citing Genesis 2:21.
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Germ theory of disease by Louis Pasteur, creationist (1822–1895), who disproved spontaneous generation…
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Antibiotics, developed without the slightest input of evolution, by the serendipitous discovery by Alexander Fleming (1881–1955), who had previously discovered lysozyme, the ‘body’s own antibiotic’. And Ernst Chain (1906–1979), who shared the 1945 Nobel Prize for Physiology and Medicine with Fleming (and Howard Florey (1898–1968)) for discovering penicillin, was a devout Orthodox Jew and anti-Darwinian. His biography noted ‘Chain’s dismissal of Darwin’s theory of evolution’, and his belief that ‘evolution was not really a part of science, since it was, for the most part, not amenable to experimentation—and he was, and is, by no means alone in this view’. As an understanding of the development of life, Chain said, ‘a very feeble attempt it is, based on such flimsy assumptions, mainly of morphological-anatomical nature that it can hardly be called a theory.’ And speaking of certain evolutionary examples, he exclaimed, ‘I would rather believe in fairies than in such wild speculation.’
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Insulin: its vital function was first discovered by the creationist Nicolae Paulescu (1869–1931), who named it ‘pancreine’. He anticipated the discoveries of Frederick Banting and John Macleod, who were awarded the 1923 Nobel Prize for Medicine for their work on insulin.
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In modern times, we have the outspoken biblical creationist Raymond Damadian (1936–), inventor of the Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) scanner, and Graeme Clark (1935–), the inventor of the Cochlear bionic ear who is a Christian.
http://creation.com/science-creation-and-evolutionism-refutation-of-nas
The way the MSM often portrays creationism gives the impression that “creation science” is a false dichotomy and that somehow creation is a threat to science. In fact, it is often referred to as pseudo-science. Yet many of the creationists work that I study is done by men and women with PhD’s in their field, publishing not only in creationist journals, but secular journals also. They didn’t achieve any of this by disparaging the scientific method. Quite the opposite in fact. Dr. Jonathan Sarfati also notes that:
…Copernicus, as well as Galileo, Kepler and Newton, were all young earth creationists. They never saw their discoveries as a threat to their biblical worldview. But they were a threat to the secular Aristotelian science consensus of their day, which is why the Aristotelians were Galileo’s staunchest foes.
http://creation.com/science-creation-and-evolutionism-refutation-of-nas
Likewise I propose that creationism is being excluded not because it is incompatible with operational science, but because it is a threat to the popular philosophy of the day, materialism.
[And lest you conclude that I am advocating the mandatory teaching of creation in schools (Christian or otherwise), at least read the first link below]
Recommended for further reading:
The Teaching of Creation in Schools
Creation Scientists
Richard Lewontin Quote
[Update: 9 March 2010]
Creation Ministries International published an article today on this very topic.
Excerpt:
From the Board’s statements, even schools which avoid the issue of Genesis history, creation in six days, global Flood and so on cannot even use the ‘ID’ approach. This reasons from the evidence of biology and biochemistry etc. merely to logically deduce, on the basis of empirical observations, that the mechanisms proposed by evolution simply could not have generated the vast complexity of living systems; the inference from observation is that they required an intelligent (unnamed) agent. Even this ultra-low-key approach is now made impossible in SA Christian schools, because it can be said to ‘reflect’ a religious text, albeit very indirectly. So science teachers in Christian schools could not lawfully encourage their students to even reflect on whether the awesome design in the molecular machinery of living cells might suggest that God had a hand in it!
Full article here.




13 comments
Comment by Marc on 3 Mar 2010 at 17:47
“But it means that they approach the evidence with the view that God created and that God’s word provides clues about the world which can inform our presuppositions for understanding the evidence.”
I am not sure I entirely agree with this statement as it implies that your presupposition is arbitrary, which it should strictly be if you are a presuppositionalist. Evidence-based reasoning is not really the criterion for a presuppositionalist philosophy. Evidentialism is evidentialism, presuppositionalism, presuppositionalism.
The question or the process we should be considering is, Given what we know about the world, are material processes alone capable of fully explaining the complexity in life? Answering no, then inquiring what more do we need, and saying quite possibly a Designer, is not a scientific disaster; for there are only two logical solutions: Stratonician atheism or theism. And the world could only have come about in 1 of 2 ways also. Since both causative explanations are completely different then their results should be entirely different, Dawkins' parasitism notwithstanding. To paraphrase that great philosopher Paul of Tarsus, we can look at the world and with our intellect understand that the world is designed and not by chance.
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Comment by Ryft Braeloch on 3 Mar 2010 at 19:11
Um… elaborate? What does “arbitrary” mean here?
Comment by Duane on 3 Mar 2010 at 23:08
Thanks Marc,
I appreciate the input.
Personally I am not hung up on a strict either/or approach to these things; that is, presuppositional or evidential, and I don't know if that is what you're suggesting.
Perhaps I simply lack the depth of knowledge to appreciate the importance of choosing sides when it comes to our apologetic approach? Both seem like useful tools to me.
But I'd like to hear m0re about this, so feel free to elaborate.
Comment by Marc on 4 Mar 2010 at 17:52
Ryft,
I am not quite sure how a presupposition can be based on any other piece of knowledge and still be something basic. If it were, it wouldn't be a presupposition. Given that, and since one just presupposes its truth (or pragmatic value or whatever), then it has to be arbitrary. One could just as easily presuppose its opposite, no?
Comment by Ryft Braeloch on 4 Mar 2010 at 19:40
See, that’s why I asked what you meant by “arbitrary.” It’s usually used to connote the sense of being determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle, or based on or subject to individual judgment or preference,* neither of which reflect the presuppositionalist sense. Thank you for elaborating.
* The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
Comment by Duane on 4 Mar 2010 at 21:36
Marc,
I'm interested in improving the way I explain these things to others. So if you don't like my phrasing because of an apparent arbitrary presupposition and can suggest a better way, I'd like to hear it? I actually gave a more specific example by the way (i.e. Humphreys & Hartnett) and obviously there are others that shape our understanding of geology for example (Gen 6-9).
The principled (arbitrary?) presupposition being that God's word id true.
Comment by Marc on 5 Mar 2010 at 01:38
So, Duane, you expect the atheist to believe that there was a world-wide flood just because the Bible says there was one and that God's Word is true?
Me? I'd rather point her to the incredible amount of geological and palaeontological evidence for it.
Duane, do you expect the atheist to presuppose that God created the world just because the Bible is God's Word and it says that God created?
Me? I'd rather sit down with him and see which, the theist or materialist, explanation best explains reality.
Comment by Duane on 6 Mar 2010 at 08:44
Thanks Marc,
I don't know if I am meant to take your response as polite instruction or a harsh rebuke?
Do I expect the atheist to believe just because the bible says so? Well, I expect atheists to disbelieve much of what God tells them unless the Holy Spirit is involved. I do however expect Christians to believe it and that was the intention behind my original statement in the article; it was about Christian presuppositions and how they shape our thinking, not atheists. Besides, isn't that kind of the motivation behind YEC cosmological and geological models in the first place… Don't those models begin with the presupposition that God's word is true… And because of that, the models work in such a way to demonstrate – evidentially – that Christianity is the best explanation for the observations?
Nonetheless I don't fault your approach at all, which is why I wonder where you think I am going wrong. In fact I think that what you described is the kind of thing I already do. That is, I question their conclusions by attempting to demonstrate the faulty presuppostions and reasoning on which they are based; showing that the evidence best fits the world as described in the Bible.
Say, for something like the bacterial flagellum, I might point out the similarities it has with man-made motors, not just its parts but its construction, and challenge them to think about whether they think a Christian or evolutionary world view can best explain it?
This is what I think would be helpful, if you don't mind? Imagine you are my editor and write a brief paragraph to replace the section of my article with which you took exception. e.g. “…cannot currently resolve. [insert edit here]“.
Comment by Joshua Allen on 12 Mar 2010 at 00:16
I've seen a few others make similar arguments recently, but they make me very uncomfortable. We don't do Christ any favors by at best changing the subject, or at worst lying.
The kind of creationism that fundamentalists want to place in school science classes is based on revelation. If we deny that point, we might as well throw out the whole Bible. The creation story was not an empirical hypothesis. It is the revealed Word of God, the Creator. Creationism comes from an *entirely* different epistemological perspective than the “scientific method”. To argue otherwise is just plain self-destructive.
Likewise, it's suicidal to argue that we could “sneak” creationism into schools by pretending to arrive at it empirically. That's not how Moses arrived at it, and it's not how we should arrive at it.
Yes, it's true that Bacon and Hume relied on the moral foundations of Christianity and the past scholarship of Christians when building their systems. But that is changing the subject. That's like saying that Darwinism is really a form of Christianity, since Darwin's mother was a Christian and Darwin read Hebrews on his deathbed.
Until Churches allow equal time for empiricists, since “empiricism is based on God's revealed physical universe”, it's pretty silly to ask science teachers to teach creationism. If you want kids to learn creationism, make sure that more kids go to Church.
Comment by Duane on 12 Mar 2010 at 17:33
Thanks Joshua,
My feelings exactly. But I hope I didn't give the impression that creationism should be taught in science classrooms. I tried to make that clear. You did read the entire article, right?
I also hope that I didn't give the impression that the word of God and science should be or are, conflated. Again, I thought that was apparent. That the scientific method should naturally flow from a biblical world view is quite a different thing to saying that they are epistemologically linked… I think?
But what I wanted to demonstrate however is that the scientific method, freed from the shackle of materialism, is completely consistent with a biblical world view, and we can learn true things about the world from both sources.
I'd also point out that modern science is demonstrably unconcerned with the authority of scripture, so it's no wonder that the two seemingly conflict. (e.g. Big Bang Cosmology, Radioactive Dating, Modern Geology, etc) … I mean, name a discipline that hasn't got something to say that is in opposition to God's word? Modern science is epistemologically different to creationism, because modern scientists couldn't give a hoot what Moses says. As far as they're concerned, he's wrong.
By the way, I read some of your stuff…
Mate, if this is your view of my position also, then you'd want to read my stuff a lot more carefully before you tar me with that brush. You are completely off the mark.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Comment by Joshua Allen on 12 Mar 2010 at 19:44
Haha! Don't worry, that post wasn't about you. If you check the permalink, it was posted in September of last year. And you can be sure that if I thought you were making the same litmus-test mistake, I would've just copy/pasted that post instead of responding individually.
And don't get me wrong, I fully realize the limits of materialist reductionism. I'm a fan of Goethe, and even got to use Goethe in my day job a couple times. But we have to admit that the definition of “science” as taught in science classes is basically synonymous with materialist reductionism. Goethe's insights are now categorized as “philosophy” by most. So the point is that “science” (as it is commonly taught) and “creationism” (as it is commonly taught) are completely different spheres.
I will strongly support any effort to recapture the older definition of science and teach kids that real science shouldn't just be materialist reductionism. But even in this (and I suspect you would agree with me), the best way is to bring Goethe into the science classroom, and not creationism or the Bible.
Comment by Duane on 12 Mar 2010 at 23:04
Thanks for the clarification Joshua.
Of course, I realised prior to using the excerpt that the post was from September and that is was not about me personally [hence the use of the word "also"]. However, given its context and your stated opinion of YEC's – “I think they are a bit silly, like the Young Earth Creationists” – I just wanted to make sure that you were not confusing my view.
Thanks for mentioning Goethe. I'll have to check him out before I say anything further, but I'm in a real hurry at the moment preparing for my mother's 60th tomorrow.
Cheers.
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