Since David’s essay was a response to mine, I thought that this response back to him should take the form of several responses to selected excerpts. Without further ado:
“He was simply repudiating as personally irrelevant various reasons anecdotally given for why a person would be an atheist.”
Yes, that’s a succinct and correct way of saying it. My short essay was perhaps bordering on a rant, with little content into which one could sink one’s intellectual teeth. However, David makes a valiant effort, and succeeds. I hope I can satisfactorily explain the points of contention.
“And this world view of his, which we may grant is atheistic, in fact is much more than a mere absence of belief that God exists.”
My world view is scientific. Let me qualify this. I’m not a practicing scientist by any stretch of the imagination, but I love reading about and learning about science. In the field of competing ideas, I’m on the sideline, cheering science on and waving my banner. My atheism has little to do with my world view, except insofar as it describes my stance on the question of the existence of gods.
“So biographically Havard believes that God is not required to explain the intelligibility of the human experience, but that raises the epistemological question as to whether or not he has good reasons for that belief. Unfortunately, he did not get into this; but since it was not the point of his article in the first place, he cannot be faulted for it. However, it is hoped that this encourages him to perhaps write more on this point.”
I have, on occasion, confessed that my reasons for being an atheist might not be entirely based on reason, and I stand by that. Asimov, struggling for years on whether to call himself an atheist or not, said, “I finally decided that I’m a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally, I am an atheist. I don’t have the evidence to prove that God doesn’t exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn’t that I don’t want to waste my time.” This has become a favorite quote of mine. The only positive evidence that I can point to is the apparent lack of evidence for His existence. Now, I say “apparent” because naturally, I am only one person and may be missing vital evidence that, if provided me, would convince me. It sounds trite because of the repetition, but for me at least, it really is true: There are lots of things whose existence I don’t believe in, gods included (I trust I don’t have to reproduce the list).
“The nature of rebellion is made evident by other atheists who have stated quite frankly that, even if the existence of God were made conclusively evident to them, such that they would have to believe he exists by force of the evidence, they nevertheless would still refuse to obey or glorify him.”
This is an interesting observation. If God’s existence was made conclusively evident to me, I would certainly have no choice but to accept that He exists (naturally). Whether or not I would obey or glorify Him depends on His nature. Would I obey Him if He commanded me to slay the unbelieving tribe living down the valley? I would hope that I had the courage to refuse. Would I obey Him if He commanded me to love my neighbor? Yes. Would I glorify Him? Well, would He want to be glorified?
In a similar vein, David asks:
“Even if the existence of God were made indisputably evident to him, fully satisfying whatever criteria he might posit, would obedience to God depend upon Havard’s own personal evaluation of his commands?”
This is an extremely tricky question. Again, it utterly depends on the commands. But you specifically restricted the evidence to show only His existence, not necessarily His omnipotence or His omnibenevolence. Suppose he was an evil God with limited knowledge? In that case, I would certainly trust my own reasoning above His. But if His superior knowledge and goodness could also be made indisputably evident to me in some way, then I would have no choice but to obey, since I would then know perfectly well that it all works out for the greater good. In truth, I’m extremely unsure about how to answer this question.
“Every moment in which, and every means by which, they knew that God exists will be exposed and inescapable. They can get away with it before man, but they won’t before God. That is the eternal gamble they make of their lives.”
This strikes me as a veiled accusation of dishonesty. If it isn’t, then I apologize, but if it is, I can do nothing more than (yet again) repudiate it. I honestly don’t believe in any god. If all the facets of my inner life were laid bare to me and it could be shown that, yes indeed, here, here, and here is where I know God exists, then I would simply be baffled and then have to come to accept it. Maybe I just lack the requisite introspection?
“In other words, he actually does not find meaning in his personal life, because there is no meaning to be found; rather, he experiences a certain biochemical state of affairs when placed in particular circumstances. [...] If someone were to ask Havard how he can bear living under the view that there is no objective purpose or intrinsic value to life—i.e., how he escapes the joylessness that haunts nihilism—he would evidently shrug his shoulders and disclaim ‘I just do.’”
Thankfully, then, I am no nihilist. And in any case, if the universe turns out not to have an overall purpose, well, that certainly should not (and in my case, does not) put a lid on my jar of joy. I live on a wonderfully rich, lush planet, with people whom I love very much, and friendships that run deep. I value and cherish these things, and my knowledge that all things must die (as Tennyson put it) does nothing to dampen that. (Tangentially, that Tennyson poem should really be all that needs to be said on the subjects of death, in my opinion.)
“I should like to understand how it would be a ‘waste of time’ any different from, say, playing video games or reading a book (which I know Havard rather enjoys).”
Maybe I was a bit too glib in that remark of mine. I retract it. What I meant by it, anyway, was that it’s a waste of time if there turns out to be no one listening. Of course, prayer and church-going are by no means a waste of time—or at least no more a waste of time than playing video games—for the comfort of the individual doing it. I would not be so crass as to suggest that prayer has no benefits for the believer. It just isn’t for me, you know?